tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post6029932996109169842..comments2023-06-09T14:31:42.016+01:00Comments on Philosophy Metametablog: September TimberPhilosophy Metametabloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04323470189556733345noreply@blogger.comBlogger208125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-16513085984939783412015-09-24T07:12:21.744+01:002015-09-24T07:12:21.744+01:00Sure I do. It's testimony from several witness...Sure I do. It's <i>testimony</i> from <i>several witnesses</i>. And it is factually true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-22555081873880163852015-09-24T00:07:11.099+01:002015-09-24T00:07:11.099+01:00I don't think you understand how this works, 9...I don't think you understand how this works, 9:00. If you make an empirical claim, and someone asks you for evidence, responding by basically saying "I don't need evidence, it's *factually* true" doesn't help. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-85147914379768812702015-09-23T21:12:39.430+01:002015-09-23T21:12:39.430+01:00"PS (I am 7.56). Let me state the point more ..."PS (I am 7.56). Let me state the point more clearly. It is highly - extremely highly- unusual for UK appointments committees to take into account teaching and service in appointments"<br /><br />I can't speak for the rest of the UK, but it is absolutely routine for Oxford to take it into account.David Wallacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-88159859011813918132015-09-23T17:00:06.647+01:002015-09-23T17:00:06.647+01:00Evidence for what? For "Magidor is now Waynfl...Evidence for what? For "<i>Magidor is now Waynflete Professor at Oxford. But her publication level seems not to merit this; she beat several more highly qualified male candidates; and was selected by a committee headed by a feminist activist, Rae Langton</i>."<br /><br />This is factually true.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-69914741109758094412015-09-23T16:24:20.487+01:002015-09-23T16:24:20.487+01:00Presumably they don't, however, just say "...Presumably they don't, however, just say "well, A has 2 more publications than B, guess we don't need to do interviews, because obviously we're just going to hire A", right, 8:17?<br /><br />It's moot, anyway, as the person asserting the original claim clearly had no evidence for it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-69510355450764956982015-09-23T16:17:38.353+01:002015-09-23T16:17:38.353+01:00PS (I am 7.56). Let me state the point more clearl...PS (I am 7.56). Let me state the point more clearly. It is highly - extremely highly- unusual for UK appointments committees to take into account teaching and service in appointmentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-430467578599852582015-09-23T16:14:20.542+01:002015-09-23T16:14:20.542+01:00(clarification: that was to 7:49.)(clarification: that was to 7:49.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-31867123316194105582015-09-23T16:11:23.051+01:002015-09-23T16:11:23.051+01:00Thank you for explaining that publications are not...Thank you for explaining that publications are not the only qualification. Nobody here knew that and we will now update our cvs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-6185440940510014692015-09-23T15:56:02.834+01:002015-09-23T15:56:02.834+01:00I am not 2.00 but I am a senior British academic. ...I am not 2.00 but I am a senior British academic. Publication level is the primary, if not evidently the sole, qualification for positions in philosophy hereAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-48726752673206532372015-09-23T15:54:36.581+01:002015-09-23T15:54:36.581+01:00Yeah why do people think publications are so impor...Yeah why do people think publications are so important? Everybody knows that service and teaching evaluations count more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-10065193809063644832015-09-23T15:49:13.298+01:002015-09-23T15:49:13.298+01:00"With respect, 1:45, this is paranoia. Magido..."With respect, 1:45, this is paranoia. Magidor is now Waynflete Professor at Oxford. But her publication level seems not to merit this; she beat several more highly qualified male candidates"<br /><br />Let's grant 2:00 this just for the sake of argument. Then why do you think publication level is the only metric deciding one's level of qualification for the position?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-12679624541430428782015-09-23T01:09:29.191+01:002015-09-23T01:09:29.191+01:00That['s just not true, 9:38. In order to know ...That['s just not true, 9:38. In order to know what someone 'needs' to get hired in terms of publications, you'd need to know the probability that a woman with X pubs will get hired, and probability that a man with X pubs will get hired. (eg, what you need to know is 'what is the probability that a woman will be hired, given that she has 1 pub)<br /><br />But you don't know that. What you know is the probability that a woman who was hired had X publications, and the probability than a man who was hired had X publications (What is the probability that a woman had 1 publication, given that she was hired)<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-26706827219410869032015-09-22T21:45:40.991+01:002015-09-22T21:45:40.991+01:00@10:36, Can't share details online. PM me.@10:36, Can't share details online. PM me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-72376710978878386522015-09-22T18:55:48.787+01:002015-09-22T18:55:48.787+01:00The McGinn unit is a brilliant idea, but before it...The McGinn unit is a brilliant idea, but before it becomes the conventionally accepted unit, isn't there a little problem? It's as if Daniel Fahrenheit decided to stipulate that one Fahrenheit degree would be the temperature difference between the surface of the moon and the core of the sun. Sure, it's all arbitrary, but think about convenience.<br /><br />I suppose we could always measure things in microMcGinns.measuremannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-45042337455402049972015-09-22T18:36:45.586+01:002015-09-22T18:36:45.586+01:0010:31, out of (non-gender-related) curiosity what ...10:31, out of (non-gender-related) curiosity what happened in those few days? Did you just make the decision too quickly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-76080561908168612322015-09-22T18:31:32.120+01:002015-09-22T18:31:32.120+01:00We hired a man once even though I think a lot of u...We hired a man once even though I think a lot of us thought within a few days of that decision that a female candidate was better on all the important dimensions (research profile, research trajectory, pedagogy). <br /><br />MIND> BLOWN!> Boom.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-39237716859954753912015-09-22T17:38:43.550+01:002015-09-22T17:38:43.550+01:00That was a reply to 9:21. The special privileges a...That was a reply to 9:21. The special privileges and preferential treatment in hiring that you're "going to get" have been documented at length. For example, on average, you'll need only 0.81 publications to get hired. A male will need 1.45. That is preferential treatment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-62670056397812532072015-09-22T17:35:02.311+01:002015-09-22T17:35:02.311+01:00You tell us. Do you disagree with gender-segregate...You tell us. Do you disagree with gender-segregated arrangements, giving special preferential treatment, on the basis of gender? Do you agree that gender-segregation is misogyny?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-52589969270056416862015-09-22T17:21:10.732+01:002015-09-22T17:21:10.732+01:008:35: That was me who wrote about how hard I'v...8:35: That was me who wrote about how hard I've worked. Please tell me what the special privileges and preferential treatment I've gotten/am going to get are. Since you know me so well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-25592667478621017342015-09-22T17:10:26.872+01:002015-09-22T17:10:26.872+01:00The thing is, there's way more written on any ...The thing is, there's way more written on any given philosophical topic than one can engage with. "Doing the scholarly thing right" does not require you to engage with every single thing written on the topic you're discussing. You engage with what you find interesting, challenging, etc. An author's insistence that her/his work deserves your attention is hardly an argument that it deserves your attention.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-33157294289130164922015-09-22T16:56:10.717+01:002015-09-22T16:56:10.717+01:008:46, do you have an objection to waynflettes bein...8:46, do you have an objection to waynflettes being given "special privileges and preferential treatment"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-24106205038524886232015-09-22T16:46:22.565+01:002015-09-22T16:46:22.565+01:00Too bad your comment illustrates exactly one of th...Too bad your comment illustrates exactly one of the points made about women's intelligence and achievements being constantly questioned and doubted, 8:35. Way to undermine your own position while also being a total dick. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-53902521532437899172015-09-22T16:45:35.440+01:002015-09-22T16:45:35.440+01:00I can't wait for the roundtable "Philosop...I can't wait for the roundtable "Philosophers Reflect on Fire". I'm sure Tremain, Kukla, etc. will have a lot to say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-5710075858660747222015-09-22T16:43:27.313+01:002015-09-22T16:43:27.313+01:00Is it really newsworthy? I can't ever recall ...Is it really newsworthy? I can't ever recall a post like that on LR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1355563160992600607.post-63963855188413213252015-09-22T16:35:07.228+01:002015-09-22T16:35:07.228+01:00There's what seems a comedy thread at DN, disc...There's what seems a comedy thread at DN, discussing the <a href="https://jobmentoringforwomen.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">Mentoring for Waynflettes Program</a>. One up-and-coming waynflette says how "hard she's worked", despite all the special privileges and preferential treatment she gets. A commenter called "langdon" mentions the "unique challenges" faced by women - i.e., the challenge of getting preferential treatment over a man, under every conceivable circumstance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com